Raise your hand or honk your Horn if you Love Long COVID

UPDATE on April 24, 2023

“Even if 1 percent of cases lead to long Covid, “that’s still a disaster because so many people are still getting infected all the time.”Vox.com

Original post:

Last week, I had a physical therapy appointment at the VA. Everyone was required to wear masks because many military veterans have compromised immune systems… that may not be the only reason.

This week, I had a follow up exam from an oral surgery (tooth removed about two months ago). The VA does not cover my dental, so my dentists are in the private sector. I have no dental insurance, so I have to pay 100% for that.

No one at that dental office was wearing a mask but me. It seems this dentist’s office and its staff has had enough with COVID, even though COVID isn’t done with us yet.

I complained and kept my mask on. I pointed out that as a combat vet on the Agent Orange list my immune system may be compromised and I’d rather be dead than end up living with Long COVID. I was being nice when I complained. No “F” bombs. No loud rage!

“As of January 16, 2023, 15% of all adults in the US reported having had long COVID symptoms at some point and 6% reported current symptoms.”

Rates of Long COVID in the U.S. Have Declined Since June of 2022

Does anyone reading this know what long COVID can do to us? I do. I’d rather be dead than have to live like that.

Nearly One in Five American Adults Who Have Had COVID-19 Still Have “Long COVID”

Think again if you think your are safe from COVID because you already had it.

“Some people have a false sense of security after getting COVID-19, thinking they can’t get reinfected,” Dr. Varga says. “In truth, anyone may test positive for COVID-19 any number of times.”

How Many Times Can You Get COVID?

“In 2020, the U.S. Census Bureau counted 331.4 million people living in the United States; more than three-quarters (77.9%) or 258.3 million were adults, 18 years or older.” You do the math to discover how many adults may be walking around without a mask that are infected with COVID at any given time.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/united-states-adult-population-grew-faster-than-nations-total-population-from-2010-to-2020.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20U.S.%20Census,from%20234.6%20million%20in%202010.

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39 thoughts on “Raise your hand or honk your Horn if you Love Long COVID

  1. I understand your concern and appreciate you taking the necessary action to protect your health. You may be the one to get the last laugh.

  2. I can’t wait to get the next booster – the CDC just authorized it for people who haven’t had a shot for FOUR months – my last booster was SIX months ago.

    People really don’t want to get what I have or a version of LC that is similar to ME/CFS – I’ve been sick for 33 years, and it’s no picnic.

    Sometimes I think it would serve them right; other times I pray for the ones who follow the deliberate misinformation being peddled to them – by people who will not support them with income or healthcare if they get sick, and who have access to wonderful benefits because they’re in Congress.

    Future generations will look at us the way those of us who know look at the same nonsense post-1918-flu.

    Yes, it’s a pain to be careful; it’s a bigger pain to be sick; and the biggest pain to lose your life or a loved one. Grow up, people, and smell the hospital strength disinfectant.

    • I understand. I was sick most of my youth up until soon after I turned 18 when my doctor told me I was cured and could live a normal life. He said there was no more sign of the virus that we’d been fighting for years. I was too young to remember the hospital visits where they had to put me in an oxygen tent to keep me alive. My mom went to several doctors before she found one who said he could keep me alive and save me. It took a long time. Shots every other day for I don’t remember how long. Left Arm. Two days later, right arm. Then left buttoch followed by right buttoch before starting over. In time, I hated needles. Still do.

      When I graduated from high school and went into the Marines I was 6’4″ and weighted 125 pounds. By the end of bootcamp, the Marines had put about thirty pounds of muscle on me.

      I do NOT like being sick. I am also waiting for the next booster.

      • CDC has authorized it! Now, to get the shot, then it will take me two weeks to recover, and I’m safer going out to dinner with other residents.

        Did you ever identify the virus that almost killed you as a kid?

      • It was the early 1950s when the treatments started. All I remember is that doctor explaining to my mother that the virus was not the one that caused Rheumatic fever but was similar. I don’t even know what was in the shots. At that age, the hypodermic needles looked huge. Thinking back to the way I felt out of touch with the world around me, I think the drugs were doing something to my mind, too. I sort of livid in my imagination most of the time creating my own world.

        If the new shot is that good that it makes it safe to eat out with other people, it must be a step up from the previous vaccines.

      • “That research shows people who are emotionally stable, self-reliant and autonomous, goal-oriented, friendly, patient and open tend to cope better in conditions of extreme isolation.”

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-patterns-persons/202004/why-some-personalities-may-thrive-in-isolation#:~:text=That%20research%20shows%20people%20who,in%20conditions%20of%20extreme%20isolation.

        I don’t know if I fit that description, Still, I work hard to stay emotionally stable through a combination of meditation, the two PTSD support groups I belong to, and daily exercise. I tend to rely on myself to get things done. About the only time I ask for help is when it seems impossible for me to do something all by myself. I set short and long term goals, write them down and check them off as I achieve them, So far, knock on wood, I have achieved all of my goals and continue to work toward continuing that habit. When I start a project, I stay patient no matter how long it takes. It took me three or four months to rebuilt the back fence for the fixer upper I bought back in 2016. It took me several months to tear out the old floors and replace them with tongue and groove solid wood. Some projects take a few hours, others hundreds of others. A couple of decades ago, I could work a 16 hour day with little rest. Now I’m down to 4 hours at most and crash after that.

        I wouldn’t say I’m living in extreme isolation. When the pandemic hit, I was in one group, a PTSD support group located at the Concord Vet center. We met in person each week. A few months into the pandemic and I’d joined two more critique groups on Zoom I found through MeetUp. Then an older PTSD support group that was located at the Martinez VA that had ended back in 2018 was revived during the pandemic and now it’s doing great, knock on wood. We meet online with screen time. During the holidays, Thanksgiving to New Years, I’d join my family face-to-face once or twice. My stepdaughter organizes all those get togethers. She’s very detailed and thorough, down to everyone taking COVID tests twice the week before we get together. Anyone that tests positive stays home. Last Christmas her husband family all tested positive so only half of us showed up for the Thanksgiving overeating feast.

        Although capable of violence since the Marines trained me to think that way, as a rule I’m not an aggressive person unless pushed by someone that goes too far.

        Maybe I qualify to cope better in isolation. I don’t think I want to try extreme isolation though. However, as I age, my body is falling apart, a little here, a little there, and that may end my ability to be self-reliant and autonomous. I admit that worries me.

      • I don’t have a thing to add to that list of what you’re doing and managing – you’re doing well and being careful at the same time.

        You’re not isolated – you’re talking to people regularly. We’d all like more in-person – hope it comes soon. I’m on the vulnerable list, so I’m antsy – I can’t add Long Covid or more stress to already being chronically ill (though LC might, paradoxically, end up providing the answers research should have been providing for decades).

        I get freaked out – talk myself down. Repeat. I’m almost finished with a tax problem that I found was hanging over us – long story), and will happily plunge into life in the retirement community after I’ve done my writing for the day, if there’s anything left. Pool, bike, riding my Airwheel S8 around Davis on the pedestrian/bike paths.

        But the writing first, because it’s been over a year since I could focus on LIMBO, and I want it DONE, published, etc.

        Now that I’m getting the tax thing under control, I’m a lot more stable, and a lot less stressed, but I need it OVER.

        Body falling apart – I know that one since 1989 – but I also know humans (and particularly my ancestors) are long-lived; my plan is to still be writing when I’m 115. We’ll see.

        I think what you are is called resilient – I hope I am, too. Keep it up.

    • It’s up to each of us to ignore them.

      Still, we can’t expect everyone to ignore greedy monsters like Alex Jones. He only exists because of the fools that continue to feed him what he wants, attention and money.

      Hucksters and manipulators like Alex Jones have been around for as long as our species has been walking the planet. It was probably easier to ignore them, or eradicate them, when we were a hunter gatherer culture without cities and billions of people.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, I remember expressing some hope for the Pfizer Covid vaccine. If you will indulge my curiosities, here are 2 questions I would be happy to get your thoughts on: 1: Assuming that adverse events took place, real but rare, would you be willing to take the reports at face value even if some cases were not able to be seen personally? 2: Even though I only watch him for the entertainment value, would it surprise you to know that I think he generally speaking is a nutcase?

      • While it is possible for some people to have a reaction to a vaccine, just like any medication, some foods, some drinks, it is rare. I have had all the COVID vaccines, five so far, I think. I might be off one. I had my shots at the VA and we had to stay for awhile (I don’t remember the exact time limit) and before we could go we had to have a VA nurse check the injection site to any sign of reactions and we were also asked if we felt pain there. I never did.

        I plan to get the next booster once the VA lets me know.

        Still, I’m lactose intolerant (no milk, no dairy) and allergic to penicillin. When I was a child, the first penicillin shot I had caused my arm to swell up like a balloon. I was given another shot to counteract that. Another time I overdosed on vitamin C and had to go see my doctor because if the itchy hives breaking out all over my body. I got a shot to counter that, too.

        It took my years to discover I’m also glucose intolerant. Once I stopped eating wheat, I stopped bloating up with indigestion. Then iII turned to organic oats but some people are allergic to that too, and I’m one of them. I seem to be okay with ancient grains and I don’t seem to be allergic to peanuts. Being allergic to peanuts can kill some people. Some people can die from a wasp or bee stings, too but not everyone.

        If you have had COVID shots with no reactions yet, you should be okay.

        I don’t watch creeps like Alex whatever his name is. I don’t need the anger that rises in me. I do not find their lies and hate funny. A long time ago I was a Rush Limbaugh fan, until I took him up on his daily challenge and started to fact check him learning he was a HUGE liar. I stopped listening to him. He also called his followers ditto heads and told us we didn’t have to think, he’d do our thinking for him.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, just to clarify, I have never been anti-vaccine to the extreme. I just believe that every person on both sides of the issue deserve a voice. Example: If someone got the Moderna vaccine with no ill effects and another person experienced excruciating migraines, however, no other issues and the migraines resolved with early treatment, I would be willing to lend legitimacy to both opinions. So I completely agree with your premise, however, I also do the best I can to do my thinking outside of the box.

      • Someone is always going to have a reaction of some kind to just about any medication. Whenever I get a prescription, once I get home, the first thing I read is the warnings. If the warnings of known reactions sound worse than my health issue, I usually don’t take the
        medicine. Stil;l, if my symptoms are worse than the warnings, then I will take the medicine,

        Here’s a recent example of me taking nothing but garlic tables after a friend told me taking garlic like that would keep insects from biting me when I was doing yardwork.

        A few days after I started taking the garlic tablets, I started to get horrible indigestion. I never suspected the garlic so I kept taking those tablets. After a few weeks of suffering with horrible indigestion and gut pain that was very unusual for me, It decided to check online to see if there were some kind of reaction to taking those garlic tablets.

        That’s were stupid me discovered I should have checked before i started. Garlic tablets can cause painful indigestion and also there is no scientific evidence form studies that garlic protects us from bug bites. I stopped and within a day the indigestion was gone.

        Here are the known reactions to those COVID shots: “Some people have no side effects. Many people have reported side effects, such as headache, fatigue, and soreness at the injection site, that are generally mild to moderate and go away within a few days.”

        I found this info on the CDC’s site just now.

        Did you notice “They are generally mild to moderate?” Read between the lines and for sure, someone did not have a mild to moderate reaction. If their doctor had them stay long enough to make sure they were okay and someone had a serious reaction, the doctor would probably give them a shot to counter to reaction.

        I just found this at the CDC site too: “Anaphylaxis, a severe type of allergic reaction, can occur after any kind of vaccination. If it happens, healthcare providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.”

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, that makes sense. I know that there are a lot of people who disagree with both men, however, in a neutral setting, I would not mind an open exchange between Joseph Mercola and Anthony Fauci.

      • I had to look up Joseph Mercola, never heard of him before.

        “Joseph Michael Mercola is an American alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and Internet business personality whose net worth, as declared in 2017, had grown to over $100 million. He markets largely unproven dietary supplements and medical devices.”

        Then we have this about Anthony Fauci. I only went up to COVID but not past COVID.

        “As a physician with the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Fauci has served the American public health sector in various capacities for more than fifty years and has acted as an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan.[5] During his time as director of the NIAID, he made contributions to HIV/AIDS research and other immunodeficiency diseases, both as a research scientist and as the head of the NIAID.[6] From 1983 to 2002, Fauci was one of the world’s most frequently cited scientists across all scientific journals.[6][7] In 2008, President George W. Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States, for his work on the AIDS relief program PEPFAR.[8]”

        “Western medicine provides diagnosis through lab test and it focuses on eliminating symptoms but normally fails to address adverse effects on the body. Chinese medicine focuses on the body’s overall response to treatment and recognizes the body as one interconnected biosystem.”

        I’m not interested in having Fauci debate Mercola. Why bother? I suspect Mercola would turn that into an opportunity to promote himself and spout all kinds of unproven crap. What is alternative medicine? “any of a range of medical therapies that are not regarded as orthodox by the medical profession, such as herbalism, homeopathy, and acupuncture.”

        Now, I have some respect for traditional Chinese medicine since eastern medicine focuses on what’s good for the body vs what’s bad so people don’t eat or drink themselves into disease. That’s why I became a vegan and decided to keep that lifestyle after six month trial run. I had a lot of health problems and p ain from eating the traditionally western diet, eating anything you want and drinking anything you want. My brother died in 1999 at 64 living life like that. he was a mess. If I hadn’t changed, I would have died before he did.

        As a vegan, my lifestyle became closer to what Chinese Medicine is all about instead of western medicine that lets idiots stuff or guzzle whatever they want and then when that shit starts killing them, they rush to the doctor who then cuts them open to remove the damage, radiates them and uses poisons to wage chemical warfare on their entire body that was damaged by the sick idiot that drank too much coke or ate too much meat, cheese and milk.

        Still, the odds are that even if we do everything right, there’s still about 15% change we may still come down with a serious disease like cancer. But when we don’t do anything right, we have an 85% change. Many reputable studies have come up with those numbers.

        I had a friend, a fellow teacher, Larry, a science teacher no less, who listened to someone like Mercola and he started to make his own colloidal silver and drink it. He tried to talk me into doing that too, said it would kill any threats to our health. His parents were both in their 90s the day he dies two years after he retired from teaching at 60. His body was riddled with cancer. It was everywhere, but up until he started making and drinking that colloidal silver, there was no sign of any diseases in his body.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, an open exchange of ideas between Anthony Fauci and Joseph Mercola is something I would be happy to see. Not overly confrontational. Just a discussion of different ideas.

      • Discussions like that have already happened.

        Google Western vs Chinese medicine or Western vs Eastern medicine and you may end up reading for hours or days.

      • I think I read it, but I don’t remember for sure. I read too many books to remember them all. I’m also behind in reviewing books. a lot. There are 11 stacked next to my computer to review. The were a lot more in the to-be-reviewed stack, but I culled them. The ones I still sort of remembered I kept to be reviews and the one’s I’d forgotten I decided weren’t important enough to review.

        Then there’s the 20 stacked on the small table beside my bed. I know I shouldn’t’ keep buying them if I’m not reading them, but it’s not easy to say no to a book that interests me.

        Oh, and then there are the audio books I only listen to when I’m driving. I seldom review one of those because it takes me so long to finish one. Since the pandemic I don’t drive as much as i use to so I don’t finish them as fast. I used to fill up my tank every two weeks. Now I fill the tank about twice a year.

      • Does that mean you have stacks of books waiting to be read and book shelves everywhere?

        On that note, I read one of the newer SF books recently that was amazingly imaginative. When I finished reading it, I thought is this unique or has modern SF changed so much that it isn’t. I’ve never read anything like MERU before. I think the autor must have an incredible imagination.

        It’s called MERU by S. B. Divya. She has a few other books. Your comment reminded me of them. So, I thought, I should order it before I forget, again. Then I thought, Wait, I still have twenty waiting to be read. Darn!

      • Disagree or agree with Mercola or Faucie isn’t what’s important here.

        The safety of vaccines vs a mortal virus was proven centuries ago in China with the first documented uses of a vaccine method that was a lot riskier that modern vaccines.

        My question is: Why is this even being debated? It’s stupid to question the use of vaccines to save lives. Its careless to refuse to wear a mask or take a vaccine when a pandemic breaks out.

        “Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. Before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every 2–3 years and measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.”

        What was the death rate of diphtheria before vaccine?

        “During the 1920s, 100,000 to 200,000 cases of diphtheria (140 to 150 cases per 100,000 population) and 13,000 to 15,000 deaths were reported each year.”

        “Before pertussis vaccines became widely available in the 1940s, as many as 200,000 children got sick with whooping cough each year in the US and about 9,000 died as a result of the infection.”

        “Four million deaths worldwide are prevented by childhood vaccination every year. More than 50 million deaths can be prevented through immunization between 2021 and 2030.”

        “Between roughly 1855 and 2005, measles is estimated to have killed about 200 million people worldwide.”

        “Polio vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1955. During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year.”

        What was the success rate of plague vaccine?

        “He tested the vaccine on himself to prove that the vaccine was safe. Later, Haffkine conducted a massive inoculation program in British India, and it is estimated that 26 million doses of Haffkine’s anti-plague vaccine were sent out from Bombay between 1897 and 1925, reducing the plague mortality by 50%-85%.””

        “Polio health care workers who administer polio vaccines have also delivered more than 1.3 billion doses of vitamin A since 1988, saving over 1.5 million children’s lives”

        “The Black Death (also known as the Pestilence, the Great Mortality or the Plague) was a bubonic plague pandemic occurring in Western Eurasia and North Africa from 1346 to 1353. It is the most fatal pandemic recorded in human history, causing the deaths of 75–200 million people, peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.”

        “The Black Death (also known as the Pestilence, the Great Mortality or the Plague) was a bubonic plague pandemic occurring in Western Eurasia and North Africa from 1346 to 1353. It is the most fatal pandemic recorded in human history, causing the deaths of 75–200 million people, peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.”

        “The Spanish flu was previously the disease event that caused the biggest loss of life in the United States; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 675,000 Americans died during the 1918 pandemic, in waves of illness that stretched out over roughly two years in this country. More than 50 million died worldwide.”

        “Yellow fever epidemics caused terror, economic disruption, and some 100,000-150,000 deaths. Recent white immigrants to southern port cities were the most vulnerable; local whites and blacks enjoyed considerable resistance. — What is the mortality rate for yellow fever vaccine?
        The estimated death rate was 0.89 for 1,000,000 YF vaccine doses (95% CI 0.12-6.31/1,000,000 doses).”

        And today, there are fucking, selfish, ignorant idiots refusing to take vaccines of any kind and some of these disease that we thought we’d beat are making a comeback and killing people again.

        There isn’t anything to debate here.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, I agree with you on these points by and large. Where you are way off-base is when you say, “And today, there are fucking, selfish, ignorant idiots refusing to take vaccines of any kind and some of these disease that we thought we’d beat are making a comeback and killing people again,” which has some truth, however, it omits the fact that there are some vaccines that cannot safely be taken due to underlying health conditions. Example: My having Epilepsy disqualifies me from getting the Pertussis vaccine for whooping cough. When I was much younger I also had that situation, so I already have a built-in immunity.

      • Correct, I did omit the fact that there are some vaccines that cannot safely be taken due to underlying health conditions. I regret not mentioning that. I should have. Since I’m allergic to penciling and that recent reactio nto garlic tablets, I should have thought of it. In fact, there’s a lot of stuff besides vaccines that some people can’t take due to genetic differences and/or underlying health conditions.

        Peanut allergies can kill
        Lactose intolerance
        Gluten intolerance
        I suspect this list is a lot longer than my knowledge

        This morning I read about a father and son with a genetic mutation that allows them to get enough sleep in 4 to 6 hours and still be alert as someone who sleeps the average that most humans need. Years ago I read about a family in Italy that had a genetic mutation that allowed them to eat all the fast food they wanted without any health dangers. Meaning they could eat McDonalds for every meal every day and never get sick or add weight.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, I ask this question in all sincerity, however, do you believe that people who say that they cannot have certain vaccines because of underlying health conditions and yet want for those to be available to other people are pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine?

      • That depends on what they do after they say that cannot have a certain vaccine because of underlying health conditions.

        Do they isolate as much as possible?
        Do they wear masks around others?
        Do they sanitize all exposed skin after being exposed to others?
        Do they have support from their medical doctor if they have a doctor?

        If they do all of that, I think they demonstrate that they are taking the pandemic seriously and that they are probably immune compromised in some way. As someone on the Agent Orange list, I may be immune compromised in some way, so, just in case, I isolate as much as possible, wear masks in public, wash my hands, sanitise as much as possible, et al.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, I agree with you. By the way, when I expressed some optimism and hope for the Pfizer Covid vaccine, I hope that you did not take that to mean that I am rendering an unfair judgement against the rest of them.

        i’ve read a couple of good explanations but do not remember all the details about the differences.

      • Pfizer and Moderna are different than the vaccines we are use to. As I understand the difference, the vaccines we are used to come with sa weaker or dead strain of the virus to warn our body to be alert to that particular virus. The Pfizer and Moderna does something else at the genetic level, teaching our cells how to protect themselves from the virus.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, that makes sense to me. Assuming in good faith that some of the stories that people share about adverse reactions to the jabs are true, who should get the reports first: The manufacturers? The media? One’s primary care specialist or an MD otherwise depending on the situation of the patient in question?

      • Once the watchdogs, whoever they are (CDC, WHO, et al.) knows something about adverse reactions, they should issue a press release to everyone. There are a lot of scientists and doctors (thousands – maybe in the low millions – in countries around the world reporting in detail about COVID and results from the use of the vaccines daily. I do not think anyone has the power to cover up all of that information. Countries, universities, hospitals, and doctors are sharing information with each other.

        If the entire world was ruled by one government similar to North Korea, China, Russia, or Iran, that government might be able to hide data for awhile, that didn’t want the public to know, but not more than190 countries and more than 8 billion people, no way. Even in brutal authoritarian countries facts would leak out somehow.

        I think I read in National Geographic Magazine (could have been another source but I don’t think so) the 40 year history behind the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. It was well written but I don’t remember all the names and details. The science behind those vaccines goes back longer than four decades now.

      • Lloyd Lofthouse, I am somewhere between wanting it just so we can get back to normal as quickly as possible and also wanting a little more time to pass just to be safe. While I have never feared vaccines, nor even needles, I think it would be just as reasonable to validate people’s concerns as it would be to encourage the vaccines. Best of both worlds. For what it is worth, I am not parroting an Alex Jones talking point. Just basically speaking for myself.

      • For your own protection, I think you should isolate as much as possible and wear a mask around people, vaccine or no vaccine. If your immune system is at risk, be safe instead of sorry.

  3. Lloyd Lofthouse, unless they are paid to act in such a manner or we were lied to about the safety and effectiveness of these jabs, I have reason to believe that people who report adverse events are being truthful. Those who say there are no adverse events are just living in denial and want to smear people who report adverse events as being liars.

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